Using Automated Simple Strategy for Semi Automatic Trading

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  • #113994

    I have been working on Automatic some aspects of my trading idea in the last month or so. So, i wanted traders to share their view here regarding Automated or Semi Auto Strategy.

    I understand that most traders would like to use auto system that does everything, and this could be great for many depending on the person. But how about using pro order to enhance the manual process.

    My view has been that any system need to be simple for the person using it. So, for any strategy to work, it has to replicate manual strategy as closely as possible. In back testing I have noticed that no matter which strategy, there are times strategy performs poorly while other time it may perform great. So knowing what the strategy does exactly is something I am trying to use the Auto trading system. I am a trend trader so a 40% win for me means massive. In the past while manually trading, the issue i had was not being able to monitor market constantly resulting in getting in earlier or later than setup etc giving mixed result overall. Could the Automated system help resolve this issue?

    I am not looking to load a strategy and let it do my work but my process will be something like this,

    • Analyse the chart as done manually using pattern – which auto system cannot do
    • Do all the work exactly and determine where to get in based on indicators, fib etc
    • Load the strategy when close to the market and wait
    • Even if 1 out of 3 trades succeed, the gain from single trade will be big enough
    • I enter 2 positions at once and close 1 of them early and ride the next one.
    • So far I am not convinced with any trailing stop codes that could help me ride the second unit properly but once into a trade i can do it manually until if can code something

    So, the purpose of using the automated system is basically avoid the human emotions once the setup is there or when there is no setup. ALso monitoring market for setup is daunting as its a 24hr market.

    To enter the trade i need to optimise the strategy so i am confident that it will place an order in key areas I want it to. So, finding a balance of good win rate with max number of trades is not easy.

    My view is that even with a simple strategy with positive result – the manual process mentioned above should filter out some of the bad trades. Because the entries are based on indicator setup, I am not sure why it would be different than manually placing orders as there is no discretion except for STOP loss level. Auto order takes a bit wider stop levels, but that should be fine.

    Please share your view or experience on similar idea. I am sure some may be using something similar.

    #113998

    I have had considerable success using Auto-Systems to enter trades and then I monitor loosely (check every 15 mins or so) and exit manually.

    I did above based on observing Systems trading (off here and my own coded) that entered in the right place (ish) but had lousy exits as in several hundred £££’s profit turns into £30 to £50 profit or even an eventual loss!

    Might sound daft to some, but if I check my Systems and there is profit of > £80 ish and market structure looks like the beginnings of a reversal (even a small reversal) then I exit!  It can make one’s day to bank profits on several Systems!

    I’d rather have the euphoria of lower profits secured than even maybe bigger profits, but which stresses me out while the market goes up and down, up and down etc.

    #114001

    Hi GraHal

    Thanks for sharing your idea. Yes verifying trades could help kill those obvious bad trades quickly. I was looking for some sort of alert from the system and found your idea of loading strategy in demo with IG push – this sounds like great solution. either direct entry to live trade or demo could work well. Using demo would work like screener with alert system. With 1 hour entry chart, we could have an hour to check the setup and end up with better or bit worse position in case we cannot get in quickly. With smaller TF, direct entry is probably better option. Will be trying both ways of entries into market and see which one feels better.

    Yes exits are the tough part and I am hoping to ride the trend with some trailing system. Actually we could use the entire entry to exit with help of demo account. Once alert of new position in demo is received, enter manually and then either move the stop and replicate the demo or simply exit the position when demo exits (min  1 hour TF would be suitable).

     

     

     

    #114023

    Once alert of new position in demo is received, enter manually and then either move the stop and replicate the demo or simply exit the position when demo exits

    I must be missing something?

    If one replicates manually the coded strategy then why not just leave the coded strategy to fully control the trades (entry and exit)?

    #114024

    I was saying as long as we are happy with how the exit or trailing works with strategy we can choose to replicate it so we avoid any discretion and maintain consistency with how trade is managed.

    But we need to get into a position to replicate anything in the first place. So, once we get alert, we decide if its the right spot for entry and whether to take a position in Live. This is the biggest part.

    If we do get in, then we can replicate the demo account strategy if we want. this is because, we assume that if the orders are placed in areas we have identified via analysis of pattern, we will be able to ride the trend. If the exit and trade management system was tested, we could use it to our advantage and avoid impulsive decisions.

     

    #114025

    Ah yeah gotcha! I understand now.

     

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