Guaranteed stops dumb not to use?

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  • #164004

    Now a days in Proorder we get the option to check guranteed stop or not. As far as I understand it, it would just be dumb not to use this?

    As breakeven codes and trailing stop is not affected and only this type “SET STOP %LOSS 1” regular stoploss is affected. And slippage is nearly never happening on regular days (?). This means this is only affecting positions going over the weekends and would prevent big gaps going past the stoploss.

    Are there something I am missing here?

    #164012

    You might well be missing something … read the Topic of which the link below is part of. Also there are several other Topics on the subject.

    Guaranteed stop does not mean that if your Set Stop pLoss = 100 and the market gaps to 1000 that you will get out at Stop = 100.

    Reason: If IG move their minimum Stop level (as they do when there is a volatility etc) then your Stop gets moved by IG to the new temporary IG Minimum. Stop

    https://www.prorealcode.com/topic/guarantee-stop/#post-161688

    #164013

    Well then it is something that just costs extra and are not benifitial. Thanks Grahal, the best!

    #164015

    As far as I understand it, it would just be dumb not to use this?

    I keep thinking / hoping somebody will tell me that I am missing something also … but I’ve not read any scenario where Guaranteed Stops would benefit?

    But here is one such scenario … a big gap would Stop us out without Guaranteed Stops.

    But with Guaranteed Stops we stay in the trade and then the gap closes back up to previous normal price (before the gap) and we then go on to make a profit (without the Guaranteed Stop our trade would be a loss = Set Stop Loss)??

    I am a sceptic and so I can’t believe IG would help us to reduce a Set Stop Loss = 100 down to 3 points or so to pay for the Guaranteed Stop??

    #164199

    From IG website about guaranteed stop:

    What is a guaranteed stop?
    A guaranteed stop is a type of stop-loss that ensures your position is always closed at your pre-selected price. It is a common risk management tool, used to protect your trades from unnecessary losses during times of volatility.

    It does this by removing any risk of slippage, which is when the price at which your order is executed does not match the price at which it was requested. By attaching a guaranteed stop, your broker is accepting the risk of slippage on your behalf. While many providers will charge upfront for a guaranteed stop, IG only charges you if it is triggered.

    With IG, you can use guaranteed stops on spread betting or CFD positions by placing a stop on the deal ticket and ensuring you select ‘guaranteed stop’ in the drop-down.

    Guaranteed stop-loss vs basic stop-loss
    A basic stop-loss is an instruction to close your position once it hits a set price that is less favourable than the current market price. It can be a useful tool, but if slippage occurs then your order may not be carried out at the price you specified. Guaranteed stops work in the same way as basic stops, except that they will always be filled at the level you set, even if prices move rapidly.

    What are the benefits of using a guaranteed stop?
    A guaranteed stop puts an absolute cap on your potential loss. Remember, with IG they are free to place, and you’ll only get charged if the stop is triggered.

    To highlight the benefits of guaranteed stops, let’s consider an example. Three traders decide to buy USD/JPY for £10 a point at 11027.5, but a flash crash causes the price to drop rapidly to 10472.7. Each trader has a different risk strategy in place that gives a different outcome to the trade.

    • Trader A had no stop-loss in place and then decided to close the trade at the new lower market price. They would have lost £5548 ([11027.5 – 10472.7] x £10)
    • Trader B had a basic stop-loss attached at 10840.0. Due to slippage, it was only executed at 10790.0, which means they would have lost £2375 ([11027.5 – 10790.0] x £10)
    • Trader C had a guaranteed stop-loss in place at 10840.0, the position would be closed at exactly 10840.0 and the loss would be limited to £1875 ([11027.5 – 10840.0] x £10)
    #164228

    Isn’t it true that when using a Guaranteed Stop …  IG move Set Stop Loss from the level the trader sets to what is the IG Minimum Stop Level at any particular time?

    Or are we saying that to allow IG to do above, that we would have to tick BOTH the Guaranteed Stop box AND the Readjust Stops box when we start a System in ProOrder AutoTrading?

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