What strategies to use in seconds time frame
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05/29/2022 at 9:19 PM #194148
@GraHal
If it’s not too much to ask I might need some inspiration from you. My strategies all work in M1…M15, quite well in my opinion. I’ve been trying to build a viable 1s…30s strategy for a long time now, with very limited success. I know that you are in this TF and maybe you have tips on what works best?
Here are my questions:
1. What trading time? Rather quiet lunchtime or action in the opening phase?
2. Trending? Swings/Reverse with RSI or Bollinger?
3. With TP/SL or other exits?
4. Many trades per day or just a few selected ones (1 trade per day)?
5. Indices… only Long?
Just so I know what direction of strategy to look for in order to have success in this TF. I also like to take example codes. 😉
05/29/2022 at 10:39 PM #194153Hi phoentzs,
If I would be able to answer your questions, I would most certainly do. But as I tried to bring across more often : my very stort TF strategies are technical only (though some trend aspect would be part of it for entry). Let me try to give an example – see below 1st attachment.
What you see is a Long and after it exits there’s right away a Long again. The Exit is justified (my means of signal does its job), but it is *not* justified because another force tells to Enter Long again (thus at the same moment). You can try to solve that with signals, but for me they would be too difficult. What is not difficult for me is preventing the Exit when an other signal tells to Enter. Thus, this is still a pure technical solution because I can’t design the signal for it (think retraces and you will understand how difficult it is to get this all right).
I have no selection on trading times, as they all don’t work out, net (the ones I tried are countless).
Long only or Short only – also does not work out, ever. Also not when each is run in parallel in two strategies. And thus “all” in one strategy (it just brings more).
The skill is, I think, that one should avoid focusing on Long/Short. You can see it happening past week – Long prevails and thus my past month’s Short-focused lose.
(I coincidentally worked on this this whole Sunday). Thus, maintaining the curve you see below (2nd attachment, past month), instead of it going downwards because of the past week (it did for me).3. With TP/SL or other exits?
Everything imaginable. For me it is THE thing, as I am not the best in Entries (you are, I think). Destroy the Exit – make the best of it. Was it right ? then squeeze all out of it. This is nothing like TP amounts or percentages. It is technical again. See 3rd attachment for relative infinite trailing (the blue line). Btw, this is a TF of 1 minute.
4. Many trades per day or just a few selected ones (1 trade per day)?
As many as possible (4th attachment). This is 609 full trades the past month (thus ~ 30 per day) and a relatively low number because this focuses on the higher win rate (63% here).
If I would like to summarize the above, then I would need to say that this is not 1 (or several) second I have been used to, but 1 minute because of again technical reasons. I even tend to go to 2 minutes for (more) technical reasons. Let’s say that this is about breathing space for Limit orders – it has nothing to do with more easy averages etc. because these can be made just the same at the second level. More importantly (and also technical) is the lack of history on indexes in the “seconds” timeframes. You won’t come further than 3 days or so, which is only because of a lacking seconds-database (for IG). For Fx it’s no problem (but still only 200K vs 1M history of course). And for minutes it is no problem throughout.
I’m afraid you won’t learn much from me, although I try !
Maybe it is telling that I usually need a 1000++ lines of code to get somewhere. You wouldn’t even want that ?05/29/2022 at 11:24 PM #19416105/30/2022 at 12:46 AM #194165Thanks for your answer. Even if I’m not really smarter now. 😉 Yes, Entries but I’ve tested countless… I know. When it comes to exits, things look a little worse. Most of the time I use trend breaks in the wrong direction and correct the drawdown with SL… Price action is my guess, works quite well even in smaller TFs. But that brings me back to the entry… which exit do you use to get out of there? I’m a little out of ideas. Maybe I’m thinking too much in terms of swings or trend following…
05/30/2022 at 9:28 AM #194173I’ll check later my many Algos I have running, but my gut feeling is that my < 1 min Algos (5 sec mainly) have deteriorated in performance since the war, but then so have all my > 1 min Algos.
I think this is down to variable settings not matching the price action since war started.
I was doing good with 5 sec manual trading before the war, mainly using price action … I keep trying to make myself use Indicators, but it all happens so fast! 🙂
I’ve not done any manual trading since the war as I am a ‘stale bull’ … waiting for 3 trades to come back to breakeven (minus 96 days so far of overnight fees! 🙁 ).
Of late, maybe since the war, I have found something of a ‘sweet spot’ at 2 min TF and surprisingly at 12 min TF.
Only logic I can think of for sweetspot at 12 min TF is that there is enough price action in 12 min bars for the optimised variable values to reflect (re price action) what is coming up on 15 min bars (and therefore also the 5 min, 3 min and 1 min bars?). Then wham bam … Algos working on the 15 min TF execute orders but (my) Algos on the 12 min bar are already trading the same direction (‘as Algos will be on the next 15 min bar’) and so my Algos benefit from the rush!!?? 🙂
I just made that last paragraph up … sounds good eh!? 🙂
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