Manual trade – reverse psychology.

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  • #73942

    I do a lot of manual trading.
    I discovered a way to test one’s manual trading skill or trading style/pattern.

    I wanted to reduce the amount of money in my Demo account. So I started trading against the market. So if the market goes up you short and visa versa.
    The idea is to lose money in order to reduce your trading balance.
    You have to lose money with every trade.
    NOT as easy as it sounds I tell you…. You will learn something about yourself.

    Only with mini contracts though.
    No more than 3 contracts per trade.
    Only on the FX/Indices you normally trade.
    No big stop losses set or trailing stops.! Min stop loss + maybe 2 points.
    If the trade goes against you more that $50 you have to close the position. (sorry no huge swings allowed here)
    Close the position before you lost $50-100. Then open another position.

    You get the idea…
    In the beginning it’s easy with a big trading balance but as your trading balance reduces you can only take smaller and smaller trades thus making it more and more difficult with every trade to lose money.

    I found that this makes one look more carefully at indicators and what direction the market is going and one tends to take less risk.

    Use it… don’t use it… 🙂

     

    #73947

    I just love it!!! Contrarian until the end … 🙂

    #73949

    Well I would just have to manual trade in my usual way and that should empty the account in no time at all 🙂

    Which is exactly why I auto trade only!

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    #73960

    @Vonasi

    😀
    Oh I know what you talking about.

    I can’s stand the draw downs of auto tading. Drives me nuts and makes me very nervous seeing profitable positions turn to negative swings but you know you have to wait it out.!
    The What ifs, How far, How long, How much, and and and… !

    #73962

    Time and exposure is all it takes to get used to anything. After a while you just look at your trades in the morning and say ‘that one’s down a thousand, that one’s down a thousand, and that ones down a thousand – oh well probably better to let the algos do their thing’.

    I hope you don’t mind but I will correct the spelling of psychology in your topic title – just because I am a neat freak sometimes and it was bugging me!

     

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    #73964

    OCD in conjunction with must be a bitch..! 😀

     

    #73966

    So if the market goes up you short and visa versa.

    I was expecting you to say that above strategy resulted in loads of profit as some days it feels like doing the opposite of what seems logical would be more effective!! 🙂

    #73980

    ‘that one’s down a thousand, that one’s down a thousand, and that ones down a thousand – oh well probably better to let the algos do their thing’.

    I woke up thinking of above! 🙂
    Is it a joke, down 1000’s due to large lot size, you talking about Demo account?

    I’m same as Andre, I could never sleep with such a scenario! 🙂

    I would be asking myself over and over again … of what relevance / validity are my entry triggers to the trade I am (still) in right NOW … especially considering the market has moved so much against me?

    If the entry triggers are not relevant / valid any more then what am I doing still in the trade … hoping, praying, stressing deffo! 🙂

    It’s kinda like thinking all the time … would I enter this trade NOW!? Answer No, then I need to get out asap / with least damage possible and avoid similar scenario next time??

     

    #74000

    I could never sleep with such a scenario!

    Depends on your time frame. I like longer time frames so larger swings in price than a 5 minute time frame.  I don’t trade short time frames any more because the noise gives me heart failure and keeps making me think I am wrong to be in a trade.

    Once you realise on longer time frames that is just how the market might move over a week or a few days and you are 75% certain that you got in at a good price then you can sleep just fine.

    The thousands – might be a slight exaggeration – but if I’ve been told once, I’ve been told a thousand times not to exaggerate!

    #74010

    the noise gives me heart failure and keeps making me think I am wrong to be in a trade.

    I’ve never quite got my head around this noise reference! 🙂 Price is doing exactly the same whether you are trading on a 5 min TF or a 1D TF.

    Okay I know that the ups and downs all day long may end up back where price started at the beginning of the day so in that sense it could be called noise. But price on your 1D TF would be doing the same anyway so it is ‘noise’ there also??

    If you are saying that when you trade 5m TF you use lot size = 10 or 20 +  then okay noise could give you heart failure!? 🙂

    #74034

    If trading on a 5m TF, entry does not have to be triggered by ‘noise’ … provided a long enough period is set for indicators etc.

    But the good thing about trading a 5m TF is that if a major low / high is exceeded and so it can be seen that the trade is going the wrong way then you can be out at the next bar and not have to wait until end of 1H, 4H, 1D etc.

    Surely above is what we will be trying to do with Multi-timeframe … when it arrives?? 🙂

     

    #74059

    What I mean by noise is that I can stare at 1000 bars on a five minute chart and persuade myself that the market is going up. Zoom out to ten minutes and 1000 bars persuades me that it is going down, zoom out to one hour and it’s going up again. Zoom out to daily or weekly – oh it is definitely going down. Plus candle sticks on longer time frames can be read and generally read correctly. A five minute candle is just a mess of sentiment in comparison and generally has no relationship with the next or the last candle. Maybe I just like slow moving things as they are easier to catch!

    Yes MTF is long awaited to make this all a lot easier.

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    #74233

    What this “reverse reading” taught me is to be more careful with entry and exit points. I was determined to get max profit possible with min loss. I took it seriously and did not play a game.
    I only used 20,50,100 and 200 MA, MCD and RSI as indicators.

    I had recently fallen in to costly bad habits on live account and the only way for me to break it is to trade on demo account for a while. Go back to basics and practise what one have learned.

    I just found it strange (for me) that in live trading I would let some positions go in to negative territory and I would have to wait until they (hopefully) go positive again. That gets me worked up and can I get worked up then!! But with the “reverse phycology” trading I would close a position almost immediately if it goes a few points against me and open another position in the right direction.

    This seems to have worked as I had many small losses but the gains were bigger.
    I learned if I have any doubts about opening a position then I would not enter a trade. Have nothing to lose. Risk VS Reward. This saved me a lot. There is always the next time frame..

    Anton Kreil said something like: “See/read/note what the market is doing but don’t try and be too much ahead of the market. If you do you will find yourself ahead of yourself and the market and that is a dangerous position to be in”.

    With manual trading I won’t take as big draw downs as with auto-trading. With auto-trading you need a bigger balance and nerves to handle the draw downs.

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    #74260

    Sounds good Andre, I think I’ll try it!

    I’ve deactivated my PRT Live account until September-ish so it be good time for me to get back to basics! 🙂

    #74261

    The idea is to lose money in order to reduce your trading balance. You have to lose money with every trade.

    I was determined to get max profit possible with min loss.

    Have you changed your game plan now?  I’m a tad confused!? 🙂

     

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