LESS is MORE – A Strategy That Grows Quietly

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  • 05/21/2025 at 9:22 AM #247427
    PeterSt

    OK, too long without response. Then it is my turn again. 🙂

    While we still can, I would like people to download this, and assumed we’re hoaxed, try to find the set up. Or, prove to yourself (and everyone) that this really works and keeps on working.

    • Do not use the Money Management and convince yourself it backtests without it (this is wacky and may require a reload of the system).
    • Use something like 4 contracts and give way for some DD (change the available portfolio from 3000 to 10000 or so – do this in both the Parameters and the Editor).
    • Timeframe of the chart = 10 minutes, as advised.
    • Concentrate on the times of entry and exit, and especially combine this with the profits and losses.
    • Load the chart so you can see some “bar detail” and focus on the entries and exits and especially when they occur for “logic” (envision how you could have created such a thing yourself).
    • To keep your interest, always think how this system can present you the profit it does. Because we assume we’re hoaxed, try to envision how that would operate.
    • Found nothing really ? then instead of asking how to get started with this, like I did, start to change the Timeframe of the chart. Do not listen to the well-meant good advice to better not do it. Now continue with the below.
    • Change the TF to a higher resolution (like 1 minute or less) and again focus on the individual profits and losses, meanwhile observing that you’d still have a great system no matter what.
    • Observe the different detail in e.g. a 1 second system and compare with the advised 10 minute. Hard to understand still ?
    • Then go to the rougher TF like 1 hour. Try to comprehend the difference, or the equality. No dice still ?
    • Then make a bigger leap to a TF of 25 hours. Whether this makes sense is something else, but just observe again.
    • At this really larger TF try to grasp how no opportunity exists any more to “during the day” manipulate SL and TP in code (both change as you will have noticed already).

    Now come up with something better than my post here. I mean, I have nothing but dozens of question marks and many red flags.
    But because I have nothing, it could work for real. Orchestrated in a way only GPT would be able to. Maybe based on history and with that over-fitted after all, but this could be harmless in this case.
    And have fun of course. Not at tearing down Rebel Wing, but just to re-engineer how this works (and if something negative comes from that, so be it).

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    avatar GraHal
    05/21/2025 at 11:43 AM #247435
    Rebel Wing
    PeterSt wrote:

    The parameters necessary to restart the system, that taking off where it stopped. This is necessary for Money Management as implemented here.

    you’re absolutely right that restarting the system with the right parameters is important, especially when using the money management, all that’s really needed is to re-enter the most recent capital amount at the point of restart. That way, the strategy continues its compounding logic from where it left off. The logic behind LESS is MORE is simple and consistent, the edge becomes clear when you engage with it directly. This way, you’re not relying on what I say, but building your own conviction through results.

    05/21/2025 at 11:52 AM #247436
    Rebel Wing
    PeterSt wrote:

    OK, too long without response. Then it is my turn again. 🙂

    While we still can, I would like people to download this, and assumed we’re hoaxed, try to find the set up. Or, prove to yourself (and everyone) that this really works and keeps on working.

    • Do not use the Money Management and convince yourself it backtests without it (this is wacky and may require a reload of the system).
    • Use something like 4 contracts and give way for some DD (change the available portfolio from 3000 to 10000 or so – do this in both the Parameters and the Editor).
    • Timeframe of the chart = 10 minutes, as advised.
    • Concentrate on the times of entry and exit, and especially combine this with the profits and losses.
    • Load the chart so you can see some “bar detail” and focus on the entries and exits and especially when they occur for “logic” (envision how you could have created such a thing yourself).
    • To keep your interest, always think how this system can present you the profit it does. Because we assume we’re hoaxed, try to envision how that would operate.
    • Found nothing really ? then instead of asking how to get started with this, like I did, start to change the Timeframe of the chart. Do not listen to the well-meant good advice to better not do it. Now continue with the below.
    • Change the TF to a higher resolution (like 1 minute or less) and again focus on the individual profits and losses, meanwhile observing that you’d still have a great system no matter what.
    • Observe the different detail in e.g. a 1 second system and compare with the advised 10 minute. Hard to understand still ?
    • Then go to the rougher TF like 1 hour. Try to comprehend the difference, or the equality. No dice still ?
    • Then make a bigger leap to a TF of 25 hours. Whether this makes sense is something else, but just observe again.
    • At this really larger TF try to grasp how no opportunity exists any more to “during the day” manipulate SL and TP in code (both change as you will have noticed already).

    Now come up with something better than my post here. I mean, I have nothing but dozens of question marks and many red flags.

    But because I have nothing, it could work for real. Orchestrated in a way only GPT would be able to. Maybe based on history and with that over-fitted after all, but this could be harmless in this case.

    And have fun of course. Not at tearing down Rebel Wing, but just to re-engineer how this works (and if something negative comes from that, so be it).

    Thank you so much for the time and depth you put into this, I genuinely appreciate the open-mindedness, curiosity, and honesty in your approach.

    You’ve captured the spirit of what LESS is MORE is about: not blind trust, but deliberate engagement. That’s why I’ve made it testable, not just “presented.” The strategy doesn’t ask for faith, it invites exploration. When you zoom in, zoom out, shift the timeframes, and study the entries and exits in detail, you start to see not a trick, but a rhythm. One that isn’t trying to be perfect,  just quietly consistent.

    You’re absolutely right that without the money management enabled, the core logic still holds its ground. That was by design, to let people see that the foundation doesn’t rely on compounding tricks. And whether you find confidence or skepticism from that process, both outcomes are completely valid. The only thing I hope to offer is something real enough for people to investigate meaningfully.

    As for reverse engineering,  I see it more as a compliment than a threat. If something inspires that level of curiosity, I take it as a sign that it’s worth looking at closely. In fact, if studying it helps you understand or build something better for yourself, then that’s time well spent either way.

    Thanks again for your thoughtful post and yes, please continue having fun with it. Sometimes the most valuable conclusions come from exactly the kind of probing you’ve described.

     

    05/21/2025 at 11:55 AM #247437
    PeterSt

    Thanks (also see upcoming post). But now I still don’t know how to start with it …

    05/21/2025 at 12:13 PM #247438
    LucasBest

    The strategy was working yesterday when i backtested it, but today i have an error message when i try to backtest on today’s date… Strange?

    05/21/2025 at 12:15 PM #247439
    PeterSt

    Please continue …

    05/21/2025 at 12:15 PM #247440
    Rebel Wing
    PeterSt wrote:

    OK, for anyone who can bear a 100% DD … let’s go. 🙂

    Looks all quite synthetic but that is not necessarily a problem. The MM behaves 100% like my own, so let’s say it is my own system at least regarding that.

    I am one of those who is going to bear that DD. Now I like to test it in Live (not Demo-Live, but Live-Live).

    Ready for that … But what’s next ?

    One kind of promise : the MM part relies on trying and trying and trying until it succeeds. Good. But no system within the IG environment will keep on running long enough to get over that hurdle (which could be months). So you’d need starting-thr0ugh parameters. A sheer pain when needed, but needed.

    I can just as well do this with PRT-IB and though in there too things may die now and then, chances are better. And your system is sufficiently robust to be able to deal with IBKR NQ/MNQ just the same. What I’m saying is : no start-through parameters readily required for that.

    I am in GMT+2, and although it looks fine as it is, it would be better to respect your (mostly) going out before overnight charges apply – thus 21:50 for me, not 22:50 as how it is now for me (through your system).

    Now, how do I get this “calmly” going for Live-Live ?

    PS: If helpful, I could report daily about the progress. Possibly I’d be using a system with MM and one without MM (the former may show nihil results for months – so at least in the beginning there would not be much to see).

    If you can be reached somewhere, let me know.

    Thank you for your thoughtful message and your willingness to dig in, both the curiosity and the commitment are genuinely appreciated.

    The version you’re referring to (UK120) is built around IG’s NASDAQ Daily Break schedule, using GMT time (22:00-23:00) for the 10-minute chart. That aligns with the UK trading day structure and aims to cleanly close long positions before overnight charges apply.

    That said, I’ve also uploaded a Central Europe version (CE120) that shifts the timing appropriately for CET (00:00-01:00). It keeps the same code and logic, nothing is optimized differently, it just adjusts the internal time references so the rhythm aligns with your local session (meaning longs still close before rollover in your time zone). You can test CE120 in exactly the same way, knowing the edge remains untouched.

    As for Live-Live testing — it’s great to hear you’re considering both MM-enabled and MM-disabled setups. That balance can be very useful. If you restart the system mid-journey, the MM feature will simply pick up from the last capital state. There’s no special initialization file needed — you just input the last tracked value.

    Daily reporting sounds incredibly generous, and if you do decide to share your observations, they’ll be appreciated by many.

    Daily reporting sounds really generous, and if you do decide to share your observations and insights, I’m sure many people would really appreciate it. I could even send you a live trade view that would run until the end of 2025, just let me know the best way to reach you. Daily reporting like that would be really helpful for lots of others too.

     

    05/21/2025 at 12:17 PM #247441
    GraHal

    Still works for me starting on today’s date etc.

    Try … close your Platfrom and login again etc.

    05/21/2025 at 12:19 PM #247442
    PeterSt
    PeterSt wrote:

    Please continue …

    Anyway, not blaming anything, but it feels like hackery is in there. Something causes harder resets to be necessary (GraHal experienced similar, so now we are with three of us). It doesn’t behave like normal backtesting. But it could be the PRT technical environment ?

    05/21/2025 at 12:19 PM #247443
    Rebel Wing
    LucasBest wrote:

    The strategy was working yesterday when i backtested it, but today i have an error message when i try to backtest on today’s date… Strange?

    This sounds happened to @GraHal, he solve the problem by close the Platform and logged back in.

    05/21/2025 at 12:27 PM #247444
    PeterSt
    Rebel Wing wrote:

    Daily reporting sounds really generous, and if you do decide to share your observations and insights, I’m sure many people would really appreciate it. I could even send you a live trade view that would run until the end of 2025, just let me know the best way to reach you. Daily reporting like that would be really helpful for lots of others too.

    Oh, I am really interested and would report from day 1 (could be today). If you search a little you can find me. So, waiting for it !
    Btw, I did use the CE version but probably got caught by what I see happing : exits at 22:50 which should be 21:50 ?? With this thinking, I assume overnight tariffs ;-( start at 22:00 my time (= CE, right ?). Also please note : I am not all that bogged up on overnight tariffs. But if it is supposed to work to avoid that anyway … why not.

    05/21/2025 at 12:31 PM #247445
    PeterSt
    Rebel Wing wrote:

    This sounds happened to @GraHal, he solve the problem by close the Platform and logged back in.

    FYI (actually reporting already 🙂 ) : what happened to me was that with MM set to 1, I could not undo that anymore. Well, I mean, could set it to 0 all right, but it was still treated as set to 1.
    IIRC I threw out the system from the chart, reconnected it, and then it was fine again.
    Nothing to normally nag about, but I just never experienced such a thing.

    05/21/2025 at 12:37 PM #247446
    PeterSt

    Ah, I now recall another suspicious “hackery” that happened to me : “Are you sure to save this system ? it contains errors !” (similar).
    This PRT message exists but

    a. how could I have changed it ?
    b. How could it have received erroneous code ?

    Again, the “hackery” is not pointing at you, Rebel Wing. It could, but it would rather be PRT being in the mode of not having the source code (which is your situation). And I have no experience with that …

    05/21/2025 at 12:42 PM #247447
    Rebel Wing
    PeterSt wrote:
    Rebel Wing wrote:

    Daily reporting sounds really generous, and if you do decide to share your observations and insights, I’m sure many people would really appreciate it. I could even send you a live trade view that would run until the end of 2025, just let me know the best way to reach you. Daily reporting like that would be really helpful for lots of others too.

    Oh, I am really interested and would report from day 1 (could be today). If you search a little you can find me. So, waiting for it !

    Btw, I did use the CE version but probably got caught by what I see happing : exits at 22:50 which should be 21:50 ?? With this thinking, I assume overnight tariffs ;-( start at 22:00 my time (= CE, right ?). Also please note : I am not all that bogged up on overnight tariffs. But if it is supposed to work to avoid that anyway … why not.

    Thanks for the message! Just to clarify:  ( IG NASDAQ break) UK vision is 22:00 to 23:00 UK time, and the CE version is 23:00 to 00:00 UK time (which is Central European time).

    As for overnight tariffs — you’re right, they usually kick in around before 22:00 UK time (which is 23:00 CE), It’s not the only reason, but part of it is to avoid those fees.

    05/21/2025 at 12:55 PM #247448
    PeterSt

    I know it can be complicated, but … see below. The CE version, plus these are the Exit times (referring to 22:50).

    Rebel Wing wrote:

    ( IG NASDAQ break) UK vision is 22:00 to 23:00 UK time, and the CE version is 23:00 to 00:00 UK time (which is Central European time).

    Even if I read this 20 times, I still can’t wrap my head around it (my bad).
    Nasdaq break for my (AMST) time is 23:00 to 00:00. Overnight tariff applies when in market on 22:00 AMST. From this follows :
    Nasdaq break for your (UK) time is 22:00 to 23:00. Overnight tariff applies when in market on 21:00 UK.

    If I’m wrong I’m wrong. 🙂
    And let’s not start DAX. Haha.

     

     

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