Trading the 5 Min Bar

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    Aloysius
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    Hi Grahal,

    I’m just searching for a winning strategy in live! and for the moment I found nothing… So here is the backtest in 5mn TF with your proposition of TP 5 and SL 15. I’ve tried an optimisation with lots of other variables but no configuration brings gain. I will test other possibilities and post here if i find something good. But I am very careful, because all the promising backtests I’ve seen have lead to losses in demo or real.

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    #63061 quote
    GraHal
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    Hi Aloysius the TP 5 and SL 15 I proposed were relevant only for the period I displayed / optimised over …  10,000 bars (and maybe going forward for weeks / months until there is an observed deviation from % winning trades and Gain to  Loss ratio etc following optimisation)

    Also if you backtested Gertrade version then you have backtested a 28 Sec TF version over 200,00 bars @ 5 Min TF?

    Attached results  of original Roberto 5 Min version over 100,000 bars @ £1 per point. I have only optimised TP, SL and the Trailing Stop Variables as below.

    I am considering that Algos on this Thread may need optimising every 3 months / 5000 bars.

    Cheers
    GraHal

    //-------------------------------------------------------------------------
    //                          Klinger-Rvi-Lsma DAX 5 min
    //-------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DEFPARAM CumulateOrders     = False
    DEFPARAM FlatBefore         = 090000                      //no trades before 09:00:00
    DEFPARAM FlatAfter          = 213000                      //no trades after  21:30:00
     
    ONCE nLots                  = 1                           //number of LOTs traded
     
    ONCE TP                     = 20                      //23    pips Take Profit
    ONCE SL                     = 16                          //16    pips Stop Loss
    
    RviVal, RviSignal           = CALL "RVI by John Ehlers"[7]                  //7
    KlingerVal, KlingerTrigger  = CALL "Klinger oscillator"[25,44,55,1]         //25,44,55,1 (ema)
    LeastSquareEMA              = CALL "ELSMA - Least Square EMA"[11,4]         //11,4
    //***************************************************************************************
    IF LongOnMarket THEN
    IF close < LeastSquareEMA THEN
    SELL AT MARKET                                      //Exit LONGs when MACD reverses southwards
    ENDIF
    ENDIF
    IF ShortOnMarket THEN
    IF close > LeastSquareEMA THEN
    EXITSHORT AT MARKET                                 //Exit SHORTs when MACD reverses northwards
    ENDIF
    ENDIF
    //***************************************************************************************
    trailingstart = 20//10    trailing will start @trailinstart points profit
    trailingstep  = 2     //13    trailing step to move the "stoploss"
    //reset the stoploss value
    IF NOT ONMARKET THEN
    newSL=0
    ENDIF
    //manage long positions
    IF LONGONMARKET THEN
    //first move (breakeven)
    IF newSL=0 AND close-tradeprice(1)>=trailingstart*pipsize THEN
    newSL = tradeprice(1)+trailingstep*pipsize
    ENDIF
    //next moves
    IF newSL>0 AND close-newSL>=trailingstep*pipsize THEN
    newSL = newSL+trailingstep*pipsize
    ENDIF
    ENDIF
    //manage short positions
    IF SHORTONMARKET THEN
    //first move (breakeven)
    IF newSL=0 AND tradeprice(1)-close>=trailingstart*pipsize THEN
    newSL = tradeprice(1)-trailingstep*pipsize
    ENDIF
    //next moves
    IF newSL>0 AND newSL-close>=trailingstep*pipsize THEN
    newSL = newSL-trailingstep*pipsize
    ENDIF
    ENDIF
    //stop order to exit the positions
    IF newSL>0 THEN
    SELL AT newSL STOP
    EXITSHORT AT newSL STOP
    ENDIF
    //***************************************************************************************
    //                                       LONG trades
    //***************************************************************************************
    a1 = close > open                                         //BULLish bar
    a2 = KlingerTrigger CROSSES OVER KlingerVal               //Klinger trigger is going north
    a3 = RviSignal CROSSES OVER RviVal                        //RVI long signal occurred
    IF a1 AND a2 AND a3 THEN
    BUY nLots CONTRACT AT MARKET
    ENDIF
    //***************************************************************************************
    //                                      SHORT trades
    //***************************************************************************************
    b1 = close < open                                         //BEARish bar
    b2 = KlingerTrigger CROSSES UNDER KlingerVal             //Klinger trigger is going south
    b3 = RviSignal CROSSES UNDER RviVal                       //RVI short signal occurred
    IF b1 AND b2 AND b3 THEN
    SELLSHORT nLots CONTRACT AT MARKET
    ENDIF
    //
    SET TARGET PPROFIT TP
    SET STOP PLOSS     SL
    
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    #63075 quote
    Gertrade
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    @ Grahal,

    I realized the importance of history, I recognize that 20,000 units of history on the TF below the minute, it seems to me insufficient to validate a strategy. Right now, I’m doing tests on a TF 1 min, but I’m facing a major problem, how is it possible to make optimizations of variables of a complete strategy on 100,000 units? My PC is not powerful enough for that.

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    Aloysius
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    I Grahal,

    Yes I backtested Gertrade version for 28s, in 5mn TF, because you announced good results in this configuration. But your answer shows we have not the same approach of backtests: when a backtest is good for a little period it has been optimised for, and loosing at other periods, I don’t trust it and don’t think it will be good for some weeks. Anyway, here is the 200 000 bars backtest for Roberto code in 5mn, in the version you just posted: it looks promising, thank you.

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    #63117 quote
    GraHal
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    @Gertrade you say … how is it possible to make optimizations of variables of a complete strategy on 100,000 units? My PC is not powerful enough for that … is your PC seeming to do nothing for ages then a quick spurt of results in the optimisation table then nothing then spurt … etc? If Yes then we all have that issue not matter how powerful our PCs … its due to optimise processing happening on the remote PRT Server.

    If No to above, then what symptoms are you getting that makes you think you PC is not powerful enough?

    GraHal
    PS  @Aloysius I do think same as you re not trusting if loose over longer Out of Sample / OOS period. Thank you for posting the 200,000 bar results.

     

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    GraHal
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    @gertrade having said above re a spurt then a few results show in the Table then wait then another spurt etc … I have just backtested / optimised another Algo over 100,000 bars @ 5 Min TF and it completes in around 30 seconds with a lot less wait and a lot faster spurts.

    So speed of optimising / backtest does depend on how complex the code is and if there any ‘ Indicator Calls’ (the code I’m checking doesn’t have any Calls).

    GraHal

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    Gertrade
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    … its due to optimise processing happening on the remote PRT Server

    That reassures me, I thought my PC was partly involved.

    I’m able to strategize on up to 120 trades.
    Beyond that, I get impatient, it becomes difficult to optimize each variable.

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